Marc Garlasco:
Sure.
Look, this discussion started with Ukraine stating they were only going to use American cluster munitions dropped individually from drones. Now it's evolved into something where they're going to use American artillery and rocket artillery, cluster munitions.
You know, I think we have to question what the reality is here and where is it going to stop. The potential for civilian harm is just too high. You know, you spoke about the dud rate, right? And these munitions, the Pentagon is now saying, well, they only have a 2 percent dud rate.
But when you look at the U.S. government's actual figures, the Government Accountability Office, for example, it has a 23 percent dud rate. If we look at a standard volley from rocket artillery, which would be six rockets fired from HIMARS, you're looking at over 3,800 cluster munitions.
That's 888 duds that are on the ground that potentially could kill civilians. And we're looking at DPICM that are fired from artillery shells, each shell would have 20 unexploded bomblets.
We had a meeting today with the National Security Council, and it was kind of one of these things where you get together and they try to make the NGOs feel happy and say, we have got a control on this, we have diplomatic assurances.
The reality is, when we asked them, how did you come to these new numbers, were there tests, how were the tests completed, did you have them done under hermetically sealed manner, or was it actually a field test in a war, as I have seen and covered in the past? And they were unable to answer our questions. It just was unacceptable.
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